Saturday, September 10, 2016

Re: IRC SIG needs external oversight

On 9 September 2016 at 14:14, Kevin Fenzi <> wrote:
> This thread makes me sad too. :(
> I think things are (as they usually are) more nuanced than they seem.
> #fedora is neither a hive of scum and villainy where everyone is rude,
> no one gets any help and people are kicked out on a whim, nor a paragon
> of light where everyone is polite and rational.
> There's a lot of old historical baggage on all sides.

We have 10+ years of this discussion coming up over and over again..
with a lot of historical baggage and strong opinions have been formed.
Our 'fixes' have never been good either because we tend to take the
easiest, nicest solution over and over again. The people feeling
slighted on boths sides do a lot of good work in various places and we
try to find solutions which make all of them happy or at least equally

At this point we should all realize that no simple or quick fixes are
going to work. If we want Fedora to actually be a Fun/Friendly place
we really need to focus on that more than we focus on Features and
First. Features fall out of the sky, First comes to the person who
gets it integrated quickest.. any 4 person "we made an OS" team seem
to be able to do that monthly.

Being Fun and Friendly takes constant work.. especially when many of
us are on the autistic spectrum or have other social disabilities
which make human interaction insane. If not, we need to be honest and
drop them.. because this every year grindstone has worn me to dust..

Stephen J Smoogen.
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