Re: Can we measure Fedora users by language?

On 2018/09/14 9:26, Rafal Luzynski wrote:
> 10.09.2018 13:27 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <jean-baptiste@holcroft.fr> wrote:
>> [...]
>> I'm really sorry, but I don't think I understand this discussion.
>>
>> What problem are we trying to solve?
>
> This discussion took place one month ago and I'm not sure I still remember
> all the details.
>
> Shortly, it is not about allowing a translation to be present in Fedora
> (actually, there is no such mechanism and we just accept whatever upstream
> provides) but about a language to be listed in system-config-languages.
> Adding a language has its consequences: switching a language should install
> its langpacks. The langpacks consist of whole RPMs supporting single languages
> like spelling dictionaries or a complete (or almost complete) translation
> of LibreOffice. Should we say to a volunteer willing to add a new language
> "we will add your language but first you must provide a complete spelling
> dictionary or you must completely translate LibreOffice and it must be
> accepted upstream"? Oh, we found a solution: glibc-langpack is created for
> every language. But on the other hand, should we give the users a choice of
> a language even if choosing the language does nothing in their system except
> switching the default LANG environment variable?
>
>> Rafal said:
>>> It has about 5000-7000 native speakers, most of them
>>> are older people and all of them speak fluently German. How likely is
>>> it that anybody will ever use Fedora in Lower Sorbian?
>>
>> And used Filipino as an example:
>> https://pagure.io/system-config-language/issue/3
>
> These are two different examples. Indeed, AFAIR the discussion started
> from Filipino language which does not have any langpacks except glibc-langpack
> and the translations are very incomplete. Then I used Lower Sorbian as an
> example of a language which was added to glibc and now I wonder if any actual
> native speaker will ever actually use it. In Fedora or in any other Linux.
>
>> OK, this is slow, takes time and result is uncertain, but what issue
>> does it provoke to have one or two packages including translation Lower
>> Sorbian or Filipino?
>
> I think it's more about langpacks than translations.
>
> Maybe we should redirect the question to other participant?

Hi Rafal

I am always appreciated your support to FLP, and am still regret that I
could not travel flock this year due to my schedule. If I was there, I
could talk directly (assuming you were there).

Please correct me if I am wrong.
I so far see, the discussion point here can not be solved by FLP alone,
or out of the scope. I think, it might be an option if this discussion
to be brought back to the place where it was originally occurred?

If any thing particular comes up which we can or should take an action,
I am happy to join.

noriko


>
> Regards,
>
> Rafal
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