On 8/22/22 20:44, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Hey folks! I apologize for the wide distribution, but this seemed like
> a bug it'd be appropriate to get a wide range of input on.
> There's a bug that was proposed as an F37 Beta blocker:
> it's quite an old bug, but up until recently, the summary was
> apparently accurate - dnf would run out of memory with 512M of RAM, but
> was OK with 1G. However, as of quite recently, on F36 at least (not
> sure if anyone's explicitly tested F37), dnf operations are commonly
> failing on VMs/containers with 1G of RAM due to running out of RAM and
> getting OOM-killed.
> There's some discussion in the bug about what might be causing this and
> potential ways to resolve it, and please do dig into/contribute to that
> if you can, but the other question here I guess is: how much do we care
> about this? How bad is it that you can't reliably run dnf operations on
> top of a minimal Fedora environment with 1G of RAM?
I think we need to stop thinking about this as just a single computer
In a containerized world you could have numerous containers running dnf
operations on a machine at any given time. Making the dnf operations take
less memory means we'll hit many fewer issues as single machines are
able to run many dnf operations at a given moment.
> This obviously has some overlap with our stated hardware requirements,
> so here they are for the record:
> that specifies 2GB as the minimum memory for "the default
> installation", by which I think it's referring to a default Workstation
> install, though this should be clarified. But then there's a "Low
> memory installations" boxout, which suggests that "users with less than
> 768MB of system memory may have better results performing a minimal
> install and adding to it afterward", which kinda is recommending that
> people do exactly the thing that doesn't work (do a minimal install
> then use dnf on it), and implying it'll work.
> After some consideration I don't think it makes sense to take this bug
> as an F37 blocker, since it already affects F36, and that's what I'll
> be suggesting at the next blocker review meeting. However, it does seem
> a perfect candidate for prioritized bug status, and I've nominated it
> for that.
> I guess if folks can chime in with thoughts here and/or in the bug
> report, maybe a consensus will emerge on just how big of an issue this
> is (and how likely it is to get fixed). There will presumably be a
> FESCo ticket related to prioritized bug status too.
> Thanks folks!
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