> Am 18.08.2023 um 21:09 schrieb Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@gmail.com>:
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> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 4:32 PM Peter Boy <pboy@uni-bremen.de> wrote:
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>> I checked th rk3588 (Radxa rock Pi 5 a&b, FriendlyElec Nanopc-T6) as an alternative. They seem to be supported (at least Rock Pi 5) (https://github.com/u-boot/u-boot/blob/master/doc/board/rockchip/rockchip.rst) but other posts say it's currently missing some important features. Would this probably be something for the „near future" in Fedora (i.e. f40 or so) or is that not at all foreseeable at present?
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> The rk3588 is still a bit early, I had a quick check the other day and
> it was basically mmc/network upstream, there's patches out for things
> like usb/pcie and other pieces but that won't be in place for F-39 at
> least, which will be shipping with the 6.5.x kernel.
>
> What's your budget so I can suggest something in the right range.
Thanks for the offering! Basically I'm looking for a board for Fedora Server alternatively to RK3399 boards (I have a Radxa Pi4, a Pine RockPro, and a LibreComputer ROC-rk3399-PC, the latter unfortunately dead at the moment). It's part of a project we discussed shortly some weeks ago. We want to ask ARM Sig for advice, but evaluate a bit beforehand, to start not too cluelessly in a discussion. I had a talk at Flock about it (https://pboy.fedorapeople.org/Flock2023-Server-talk.pdf, last slide).
Basically we are looking for a „productive" use case of the Fedora Server SBC version, which makes use of specific properties of SBCs and is sufficiently different from the use in the IoT area.
So we came to selection criteria as 4gb RAM, fast storage (eMMC or NVMe), sturdy case, stackable. (See https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-on-sbc/reference-list/). Regarding the use case we think of the need for 24/7 availability, where power consumption is an issue, and non-interactive, where latency or lagging turn-around time is not an issue. Some ideas are cluster monitoring (Nagios etc), continuous Backup, file service, VPN, and something like that. And at the end maybe a home lab or freelancer's power efficient server appliance.
That's the general idea.
The budget is a bit flexibel, around 120 - 150€ for the board and additional 30-40 € for case, NVMe extension, cooling, etc. If it becomes more expensive, it will, in addition to other criteria, compete economically with x86 mini PCs. It's a discussion like this: https://www.techaddressed.com/reviews/mini-pc-better-value-raspberry-pi/ and this: https://uni.hi.is/helmut/2021/06/07/power-consumption-of-raspberry-pi-4-versus-intel-j4105-system/
So, the bottom line is that I'm looking for combination(s) of sufficiently capable SBC hardware and Fedora Server applications, which bring the special potential of ARM SBCs fully to bear - as 'serious' productive server use, not for experimentation, development, education or IoT.
Sorry for the long text. It's an as short as I could description of our project. And hopefully it's not too boring. I am currently writing a more detailed text about our project, findings, and practical suggestions.
Thanks for your advice and suggestions (and patience).
Peter
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